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Went to the dealership for an oil change. The service person said the DJ schedule stated the spark plugs  need to be replaced at the current mileage. I asked how much and he said $185. I politely differed to later and said thank you. $185 to change spark plugs ? Are the recommended spark plugs  made of gold or something? Am I the only one who thinks that sounds high? Geesh, just had to get that out of my system.

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on the 6 they should be replaced around 100k (on the 09 at least) but to do it you have to take the intake manifold off, thus the high charge.  I was lucky, my DJ was in the shop getting a new intake manifold so my service manager changed the plugs at the same time (82k miles).  A little early, but all I paid for was $60 for plugs.  No labor.

Dang Fred, I did forget to mention that little detail, thanks for reminding me. I have the 3.6 L V6. Yep, coming up on 100k soon. No such luck here, it would be just for the plugs and labor.

I miss the days of popping the hood and grabbing a wrench/ratchet and gettin to business.....

It's not that hard to remove the intake. 

well i watched a you tube on doing it and even as cheap as i am i think i will defer to the dealership or a local trusted mech as seams like like a lot of wiring has to be undone and since i have the lifetime warranty think ill just let them do it so it will be on record and as the older i get i second guess myself on things, maybe if i had watched someone do it in person i might try it. oh well better to be then sorry.......actually have been watching the dealerships for a service  coupon on the tuneup havent sen anything in a long time its like they dont run service  discounts anymore?

• OhareFred and jkeaton

30 minutes ago, 2late4u said: well i watched a you tube on doing it and even as cheap as i am i think i will defer to the dealership or a local trusted mech as seams like like a lot of wiring has to be undone and since i have the lifetime warranty think ill just let them do it so it will be on record and as the older i get i second guess myself on things, maybe if i had watched someone do it in person i might try it. oh well better to be then sorry.......actually have been watching the dealerships for a service  coupon on the tuneup havent sen anything in a long time its like they dont run service  discounts anymore?

Really? I just watched a video also and there was no wiring to undo, just unplug the clip from the coil pack. Granted this is the 2.4 L engine  and I have the 3.6. Is it that much difference between the two?

Yes. The 3.6 is a completely different engine  with the plugs in a different location than the 2.4. The back 3 plugs are under the intake . 

There is a world of difference between the 3.6 and 2.4.  The 2.4 is "Remove engine beauty cover, unbolt coil packs, remove coil packs, remove spark plugs , installation is reverse. The end."

3.6 requires removal of the intake manifold and temporary re-routing of several cables in the process.  It is physically impossible to get to them without removing the intake.  The plugs are RER8ZWYCB4 (iridium plugs, they sell for about $7/each, you need 6).  $180 for that engine , with parts, labor, and a 10% shop fee is not unreasonable.  It's about an hour long job for a well trained mechanic ($120/hour in labor, $40 in parts, +10% shop fees = $176, local tax laws could easily account for the other $10).

Thanks for the info guys, jkeaton and bfurth. I am glad you all gave me the lowdown on the differences. Maybe I won't try doing this myself. I am, by nature, a cheap bastard. If I can do it myself and save money I'm all for it, which I thought was the case here. Obviously I was way wrong on that. I just remember when everything was pretty much right there when you opened the hood  and had easy access and didn't need special tools to do it.

2late4u, we apparently watched 2 different videos, sorry man. I just wasn't seeing what you were seeing, hence my confusion.

Try this video.  Also, ignore the model years - they're wrong on the early end, and don't matter since the 3.6L is the same for all Journeys that have one.  You don't "need" any special tools (you should use a torque wrench , and most DIY parts stores should be happy to rent you one).  You can definitely save $140 by doing it on your own, IF you want to spend the potentially 2+ hours figuring it out.  It's always a question of what your time is worth to you.  And whether or not you trust the information gleaned from this video.

I'd also recommend checking your local library system to see if they subscribe to any kind of online service manuals.  There's a decent chance they do, in which case you have much more detailed information available to you than you realize.

4 hours ago, bfurth said: Try this video.  Also, ignore the model years - they're wrong on the early end, and don't matter since the 3.6L is the same for all Journeys that have one.  You don't "need" any special tools (you should use a torque wrench , and most DIY parts stores should be happy to rent you one).  You can definitely save $140 by doing it on your own, IF you want to spend the potentially 2+ hours figuring it out.  It's always a question of what your time is worth to you.  And whether or not you trust the information gleaned from this video.   I'd also recommend checking your local library system to see if they subscribe to any kind of online service manuals.  There's a decent chance they do, in which case you have much more detailed information available to you than you realize.  

lol,,, after watching this shit ,,now i know ill take it to the dealer worst video i have ever seen

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Well, that looks pretty rough in high speed motion, but I'd bet it's not as challenging as you'd think.  Just gotta take your time and make sure you don't have any left over bolts.

• jkeaton and 2late4u

Yeah, as I said, it's really not that difficult. Just time consuming. But, you do you. 

km, it takes a lot of patience and time to change those plugs. After helping someone do the job, I am saving up to take mine to the dealer/mechanic when needed. My dealer quoted $250 to my friend, but after actually doing it I believe it might be worth it. I think I am on that same, 'As I get older, as cheap as I may be, I prefer to let someone else do the work'. If there is an issue, you can just bring it back.

With that said, I do miss the days of just pulling the wires out and unscrewing the plugs...it seemed to work just fine DAMNIT!!!

• 2 years later...

getting changed this morning , some jobs are just not worth fighting with as a DIY......$300 CDN out the door including top of the line plugs. Will update

• jkeaton , OhareFred and larryl

weather you have the 2.4 or the 3.6 you will also have to buy a spark plug socket that is magnetic as well as the hole the plugs go into are about 3-6 inches deep, i change my daughters 2.4 plugs for her and bought a plug socket but it wasn't magnetic just had the rubber plug that is suppose to hold it in and it still keeps falling oust of the socket so i grabbed a 6 inch piece of air line tube off my wife's oxygen concentrate ( one of the old tubed that is) and stuck it onto a small Phillips screwdriver and the other end fits over the connector on the plug and that way i can install the plug hand tight before using the ratchet to tighten it....

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$185 seams like a pretty good price from a dealership for OEM replacements.

I'm a cheap-o too.

Yes, I was very nervous at the thought of removing the intake, but after the fact, it's not really that big of a deal.  Just takes a bit time and patience.  It took me an entire, but leisurely, Saturday morning to replace the plugs.  

I'm very glad I went through the process to learn how to change my plugs myself, as it turned out when doing the plugs, I found one of the spark plug tubes was filled with oil due to a gasket leak.  If I would have had the car at a dealership, that would have tacked on another $200-$300 (or more) to the bill.  I was able to cleanup the oil, change the plugs, put it all back together, then research how to fix the spark plug tube gasket.  On another occasion I then went back in, this time even further in, and pulled the valve cover to replace the tube gasket and valve cover gasket.  All of this is well outside my comfort zone, but again, after the fact, it wasn't difficult, nor require specialized skills or tools.  YouTube and this forum are my friend.

• 2late4u and Armando G

lol you tube is the greatest teacher there is,if only we would have had it back 30-40 yrs ago,, if you get a chance watch fix it angel he is really great but he mostly works on imports, but this guy does more with just one hand than most of us do with two hands i watch it all the time

• 7 months later...

Well, here we are 3 years after I went through this post and I'm now considering changing my spark plugs. I am not at the 100k mark, but with 74k on the clock and 6 years +/- on the car, I am considering getting them changed now. 

I'm more curious on everyone's thoughts on this?  Am I being overly cautious or would it be a good idea? No issues with the car, still running like a champ, I just feel a little (Little) less umph going up those mountains. I've maintained everything else and the plugs would almost be the only original maintenance part on the car (well, and the brakes - still have over 40% left on them). Getting ready for another big trip, which is why this pipe into my head. 

Thoughts???

well 6 yrs of heat and miles might take their toll on the plugs wouldn't hurt to do it then you will be set for another 6 yrs you might as well do the coolant change as well as the the transmission service as well, thats what i did at around 95 k last yr i let the dealership do it since i have the max warranty , but its on record if i should have any problems down the line, and yep kind of pricey at the dealership but oh well you cant take it with you........P.S. actually had the trans done at 60 k and then redone again at the 95 K   first time it was around 150 the second time was higher i think it was around 215

John/Horace

A little early for the plugs, you will get codes if they are malfunctioning. At a 100k miles I only had 10 thou of wear on electrodes.

Was-doing oil cooler replacement so plugs changed too.   Fluids more important, pricier repair if a break down. Upstream O2 does fuel trim rich/lean,  it’s even early for that, but gas is expensive and that might improve fuel economy slightly, plugs wouldn’t.  My 2 cents.  

On 7/6/2021 at 5:59 PM, 2late4u said: change as well as the the transmission service as we

Well, I am one of the lucky ones that had their transmission go out on them while still under warranty in 2019. New tranny installed and coolant flushed at that time. I believe i was in the 40k range at that time, so I am good there. Plugs are on my mind probably because I'm old school. Like I said, car is running great just not used to not doing plugs regularly. 

I appreciate the advise. 

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On 2021-07-09 at 12:36 AM, Armando G said:   Well, I am one of the lucky ones that had their transmission go out on them while still under warranty in 2019. New tranny installed and coolant flushed at that time. I believe i was in the 40k range at that time, so I am good there. Plugs are on my mind probably because I'm old school. Like I said, car is running great just not used to not doing plugs regularly.    I appreciate the advise. 

The coolant Chrysler uses in all their products has a 10 year, 240,000 km lifespan. Unless the coolant was contaminated with transmission fluid-I would call that impossible-that flush was a waste of time. But you received the work under warranty so no worries for you but this is how dealers pad their profits and how technicians make more money because they are forced to work in a flat rate system of renumeration.

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Replacing spark plugs can involve remov ing multiple components, like the intake manifold and spark plug wire — which can be difficult i n some vehicles.

Moreover, a bad spark plug replacement job can lead to engine damage, requiring expensive auto repair . That’s why it’s best to get a professional spark plug service .

Still, if you wish to take the DIY route, here’s a guide on how mechanics perform spark plug replacement : 

Firstly, a mechanic will need:

• New spark plugs
• Spark plug socket
• Ratchet and torque wrench
• Spark plug gauge ( gap gauge )
• Anti-seize lube
• Dielectric grease, etc.

Note: Ideally, replace all the spark plugs together — even if all haven’t failed.

Here’s the process they’ll follow:

1. Ensure the engine is cool. Then disconnect the battery .

2. Remove the engine cover.

3. Disconnect the ignition coil connector or the spark plug wire of the spark plug they’ll replace first. They’ll ensure not to tear off the wire terminal from the plug wire end. If the wire is damaged, they’ll replace it.

4. Unscrew the old spark plug using a spark plug socket .

5. Clean the spark plug hole to remove debris . This debris can damage the cylinder head threads.

6. “Gap” the new spark plug using a spark plug gauge if it isn’t “pre-gapped”. They’ll check your owner’s manual for the engine’s plug-gap specifications.

7. Apply a thin layer of dielectric grease to the spark plug boot.

8. Install the new spark plug .

9. Tighten the new plug with a torque wrench according to the manufacturer’s specifications.

10. Reinstall the ignition coil or spark plug wire connector.

11. They’ll repeat the process for the other plugs.

12. Reinstall the engine cover and s tart the engine to ensure everything works after installing the new plug set.

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Getting spark plugs replaced with new inventory can cost between $100 and $500 (including car parts and labor costs) . The cost of installing new plugs can depend on your location, vehicle model, and type of spark plug .

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In fact, spark plug failure can reduce your car’s fuel efficiency (a.k.a. fuel economy ) by around 30%.

Unburned fuel from incomplete combustion that’s expelled from the combustion chamber may also damage the catalytic converter .

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How Much Does It Cost To Get A Timing Chain Replacement?

• Updated: February 12, 2023

It’s never fun to hear that you need to get the timing chain replaced in your vehicle. You know instantly that it’s not going to be a cheap repair, but just how much does it cost to get a timing chain replacement?

In this guide, I cover the factors that affect this repair cost. I also examine the timing belt more closely, and show you some symptoms you might notice when the timing chain goes bad. At the end of the article, I discuss whether it’s safe or not to continue driving with a bad timing chain. 

How Much Does A Timing Chain Replacement Cost?

The average timing chain replacement may cost $1,500 to $4,000 if you visit a professional repair shop. If you have the skills, equipment, and expertise to replace it yourself, you may only spend $500 to $900 instead, but it’s not normally an easy fix for the average home mechanic. 

Factors Affecting Timing Chain Replacement Cost

1. make/model of car.

While there are some newer models that have a timing chain, the majority of the vehicles are going to be older, mostly because timing chains often hold up quite long.

With this in mind, the type of vehicle you drive is going to have a big effect on how much you spend on the timing chain. Some brands have much lower prices for some reason. For example, Honda OEM timing chains are often cheaper than other brands in many cases. 

However, you normally have the option to purchase an aftermarket chain kit, which could save you a little bit of money. Just keep in mind that some aftermarket parts are junk, so you want to research the quality before making the switch. A timing chain is something you don’t want to take any risks with, as it could result in total engine failure.

2. Labor Rate

While the timing chain is an expensive part to replace, the labor is going to make up a significant chunk of the bill. There are some engines that require removing a lot of parts to get the chain out. It must also align with all of the tensioners, timing gauges, and gears to work correctly. 

Depending on where you live, you could have a hefty labor bill. If you live in the country, you might spend far less on labor than if you live in a busy city. Take the labor rate in your area and multiply by about four to eight hours to get an approximate cost.

Of course, if you can replace your own timing chain, you are going to save a lot of money. However, this isn’t a job that should be done by anyone without the experience required. 

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3. Additional Repairs Needed

In most car models, it is not just the timing chain that is replaced during the operation. Tensioners, gaskets, and many other parts are often replaced at the same time as the chain is replaced.

It doesn’t cost much more for the parts. Plus, the labor will be cheaper while the chain is already off. As an example, the chain tensioner is another part that tends to go bad. The symptoms of a bad timing chain are similar to that of a bad tensioner, so it’s important to get the right diagnosis before making any repairs. 

What is a Timing Chain?

The timing chain is responsible for connecting the engine crankshaft and camshaft. It’s needed to ensure the right timing between the parts.

With a timing chain, the gears attached to the camshafts and crankshaft wouldn’t turn in unison with one another. In some vehicles, the timing chain can also run other vital components, giving it a dual purpose. 

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How Does the Timing Chain Work?

The timing chain is located on the motor, behind the timing cover. If you think of a bicycle chain, the timing chain isn’t much different, except it’s much thicker. This vital part is used to pair the camshaft timing gear with the crankshaft timing gear.

It’s held in place with a timing chain tensioner. With this tensioner, the chain won’t skip or jump. It gets held in place, so the crankshaft and camshaft gears can turn at the appropriate speeds. 

Symptoms of a Bad Timing Chain

1. grinding noise.

If your car’s pulleys start to make a grinding noise, it could be that the timing chain isn’t in place. When the timing chain becomes loose, it can start to grind.

It also occurs if the bearings go out or the pulleys fail. To figure out what’s causing the problem, you must do a complete inspection. 

2. Engine Misfire

When the timing chain becomes loose, the camshaft and crankshaft are not aligned properly. This fault causes your engine to misfire. As the cylinder valves close at a different rate from what the engine needs, you are going to notice issues.

However, a misfiring engine is caused by lots of different issues, so you can’t just assume it’s the timing chain. It could also be from damaged valves, a bad spark plug or some other fault. When the engine misfires, you will probably also see a check engine light on your dashboard.

3. Difficulty Starting

If your vehicle’s engine doesn’t start, it could be due to a faulty timing chain. You also need to look at the ignition system, battery, and starter.

Still, don’t overlook the possibility that the timing belt has come loose. When this happens, the crankshaft and cam can’t synchronize, leading to an engine that won’t start. 

4. Banging/Knocking /rattling noise

If you have a loose belt, it could bang or knock in the engine bay. The chain can bang into the pulleys or the chain cover. 

However, this is only going to occur if the chain has become very loose. In comparison, a loose timing belt creates more of a slapping sound. 

5. Reduced Fuel Economy

Whenever engine operations aren’t optimized, your car can use more fuel than normal. In general, you aren’t going to notice the drop in fuel economy unless you are paying close attention.

Additionally, the lack of power could become noticeable. To get your car going normally, you might need to push more aggressively on the pedal, which in turn, also uses more fuel. 

Can I Drive with a Bad Timing Chain?

It’s not advisable to drive once the timing chain is damaged. If you even suspect that it could be going bad, you should inspect it right away. Depending on the damage, you might even prefer to have it towed to the nearest service center.

Otherwise, driving with a bad timing chain can lead to engine failure. If the valves and pistons collide because of the faulty timing, your motor could be destroyed. Instead of simply needing a new timing chain, you will be looking at a rebuilt or replaced engine, which is much more expensive to deal with.

Additionally, if the timing chain breaks completely, the engine won’t start. You will be forced to replace the timing chain before you can drive anywhere. That’s why I always recommend getting everything looked at, no matter how minor you believe the symptoms might be. It’s better to err on the side of caution and save yourself from future headaches.

Categories: Engine , Estimator

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